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Raven
Wednesday, January 9th, 2008, 07:23 AM
For everyones information Salvia is a legal drug that should be illegal.
The Dangers of and Arguments for Salvia -- The Completely Legal Hallucinatory Drug

Salvia's High Prompts Suicide Concerns
Though salvia is illegal in two states (Louisiana and Missouri), it is currently legal in all other states, and its leaves and liquid extracts are sold openly on Web sites and in head shops.
However, in January 2006, 17-year-old Brett Chidester of Wilmington, Delaware committed suicide, and his family believes salvia's hallucinogenic properties are to blame.
Salvinorin A, which Bryan Roth, director of the Psychoactive Drug Screening Program for the National Institute of Mental Health, calls an "extremely potent hallucinogen" nearly as strong as LSD, is believed to be responsible for salvia's psychoactive effects.
The substance targets a receptor in brain cells that, Roth says, affects our "consciousness and our perception of reality." It's located in neurons that are involved in mental illnesses such as depression and schizophrenia, as well as drug abuse.
According to Chidester's mother, Karen, in a USA Today report, Chidester wrote in an essay, found after his death, that the meaning of the universe "is nothing."
"When I read that I thought, 'That's not him talking, that's salvia," Karen Chidester told USA Today.
Salvia's Hallucinogenic Allure
Prompted by Chidester's suicide, Sen. Karen Peterson of Delaware filed a bill that would ban salvia divinorum, putting it among the ranks of illegal drugs like heroin and marijuana.
"Kids fall into a false sense of security because it's legal. We control LSD, and we should control this," Peterson says.
According to the U.S. Department of Justice's Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) -- which lists salvia as a "drug and chemical of concern" -- salvia is largely being used by younger adults and adolescents, who are influenced by Web sites promoting the herb for its hallucinogenic effects.
Salvia's Other Names
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The hallucinogenic herb salvia divinorum has many other names, most related to its association with the Virgin Mary (the Mazatecs believed salvia to be an incarnation of the Virgin Mary). These include:
Maria Pastora
Diviner's Sage
Sally D
The leaf or herb of Mary
The Shepherdess
Ska Maria
Ska Pastora
Hojas de Maria
Hojas de la Pastora
Hierba (yerba) Maria
La MariaUsers report a wide range of effects, from other-world and out-of-body experiences to feeling they have been turned into inanimate objects, like paint on the wall. Other users have reported experiencing living another person's life, from birth until death, and many report having spiritual experiences.
"Kids just don't sit back and get the munchies with this one," said an Arkansas Drug Enforcement Agency official in a Batesville Daily Guard report. "This is one of the most powerful hallucinogens known to man."
Lower doses of salvia, which is usually smoked, can produce a range of psychic effects, including:
Perceptions of bright lights, vivid colors and shapes
Twisting body movements
Object distortions
Uncontrollable laughter
Dysphoria
A sense of loss of body
Overlapping realities
Hallucinations
A loss of coordination
Dizziness
Slurred speechDo Untapped Medical Uses for Salvia Exist?
On the other end of the spectrum, chemists and researchers around the world are scrambling to find out if salvia could be helpful in treating disease -- before it is made illegal. Once the herb is criminalized, says Roth, it would be "almost impossible" to get it approved for human medicinal uses.
Currently, there are no approved human uses for salvia and the research is still in its beginning stages.
Said Dr. Joseph Banken, a clinical psychiatrist and recreational drug researcher at the University of Arkansas of Medical Sciences, no other chemical works quite like salvia.
"Salvia has been used for 5,000 years by the Mazatec Indians in religious ceremonies, to communicate with spirits. But it's new to us," Banken said. "Scientifically, it's a bit of a puzzlement."
In an interview conducted by Banken, only 1 percent of users said they craved or needed salvia. The effects were called "unique" by 40 percent of users, yet several said the effects were so intense they would not use it again. Salvia is different from hallucinogens like LSD because it is safely metabolized by the body, and Banken said he knows of no reports of flashbacks.
He and a team of other researchers are looking into how salvia works and whether or not it holds any medical or scientific value.
" ... the substance [salvia], I caution to call it a drug, may have a cultural or medical use. I would like to see more research and more science before the government moves to ban it," says Banken.
In the meantime, be aware that there is no standard for purity for any of the salvia sold online or in stores, so what you see may not be what you actually get.
"It is really buyer beware," Banken said.

Go to youtube and watch any video of kids video taping themselves on Salvia. It is SICKENING. :Puking_Smiley:

Source (http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/06/04/12/the_dangers_of_and_arguments_for_salvia_--_the_completely_legal_hallucinatory_drug.htm)

THERESA
Wednesday, January 9th, 2008, 01:11 PM
To those of you who saw the original thread that this was in, I deleted the first portion of it because it was inappropriate for the site.

Raven
Wednesday, January 9th, 2008, 02:04 PM
Definetly, and to the one who wrote it, GET HELP, drugs are not the answer.

To those of you who saw the original thread that this was in, I deleted the first portion of it because it was inappropriate for the site.

RJD
Wednesday, January 9th, 2008, 08:41 PM
I've done it and it is not even close to as potent as LSD. It lasted a very short time, like 15 minutes, and it was mildly hallucinogenic. My LSD trips have lasted 8-12 hours and they were anywhere from mildly to extremely hallucinogenic. Suicide is not a thought people I've known have on these types of drugs. If they do, it is exposing mental illnesses these kids already have, maybe just expediting the episodes.

I've never felt "scaring" kids is the answer to the drug problem. It hasn't worked so far...

Raven
Wednesday, January 9th, 2008, 08:50 PM
Promoting it or glorifying it isn't the answer either. Any type of drugs are STUPID. :banghead:


I've done it and it is not even close to as potent as LSD. It lasted a very short time, like 15 minutes, and it was mildly hallucinogenic. My LSD trips have lasted 8-12 hours and they were anywhere from mildly to extremely hallucinogenic. Suicide is not a thought people I've known have on these types of drugs. If they do, it is exposing mental illnesses these kids already have, maybe just expediting the episodes.

I've never felt "scaring" kids is the answer to the drug problem. It hasn't worked so far...

Panama Girl
Friday, February 8th, 2008, 02:37 PM
Any type of drugs are STUPID. :banghead:

I beg to differ...

MDMA (extasy) in the appropriate settings and doses is a highly effective psychiatric drug.

Marijuana has known benefits for chemotherapy patients.

Cocaine is used as a local anesthetic and vasoconstrictor for nosebleeds and rhinoplasty.

Opiates are among the most powerful painkillers available with the added effect of being psychologically calming.

Alcohol is a disinfectant (vodka is good for cleaning scrapes and lacerations).

Hallucinogenic plants and mushrooms are part of some religious cults, used for visionary purposes after special training and rituals.

The problem is not the drugs themselves but their abuse stemming from prohibition. That only makes getting high more appealing.

Example: America before Prohibition did have alcohol problems as did every other nation, but once the production and sale of booze was illegal people did what most people do when something is forbidden them: they went looking for it. Instead of just having an after-dinner martini or a beer with lunch the country turned to binge-drinking. That cultural aspect is still present today in college binge-drinking parties.

As for Salvia divinorum, I have not tried it but know people who sometimes use it. From their descriptions I think this is one experience I will abstain from.

Let's stick to beer and pot, people! :frog::cheers2::D