Spitzer gives up on Licenses for everyone

[Kaos]

Wow, the power of a lawsuit being filed huh? I heard last night that Elliot Spitzer has finally backed down regarding the highly debated, "No SS card to get a drivers license". I think its a good thing personally. I think there are alot of laws to deal with the immigration problem that need to be established, but just letting anyone get a license no matter what there status is was kind of crazy to me. What do you all think?

[popowich]

I head about the tracking argument. Also that Hillary Clinton agreed with the licenses for illegal immigrants after one of the recent debates. Do they have to pay for the licenses? :)

-Raymond

[harryn55]

I am against the licenses for illegals. I actually think they should be stopped from sneaking in and sent back when caught, it would be nice if our Congress and President and Governor did more to protect America.

[popowich]

What are the negatives about them getting the licenses?

The cost in figuring out who they are and maintaining freebie licenses?

[Big Dan]

What are the negatives about them getting the licenses?

The cost in figuring out who they are and maintaining freebie licenses?

I see the negative as giving illegals the a-okay to move about and live in NY illegally. They're here illegally thus shouldn't have our privileges such as having a drivers license.

I got no beef immigrants I do have beef with illegal ones. Heck our families were all immigrants at one time or another but they came here legally and build up this great nation to what America is now. This generation of illegals are just draining our tax base and social service programs, then on top of it slapping us in the face by not putting anything back into the pot via taxes.

Then add on to the fact that red blooded American's have to show a social security card and birth certificate to get a NYS license... That just ain't right.

[Kaos]

I can still remember trying to get my license a few times and having to have enough "points" in order to prove it was me. Used to drive m e crazy rounding up enough utility bills, passports and everything else just to get a license. I think we need to decide whats the rules. We can have thousands of illegals marching against deportation rulings and they are left alone, but when we have migrant workers up here helping the apple farmers, they are rounded up and deported? Not too consistent and makes me crazy. Why are some illegals allowed more freedom then others?

[popowich]

I don't remember it being very hard for me to get my license.

I can even recall having to parallel park next to an invisible car as part of my driving test. :)

The biggest obstacle was getting my parents to agree to let me have one.

I had to wait until my friends were old enough too.

-Raymond

[THERESA]

I have ridden with you.... they should have made it much more difficult. I don't know what the instructor was thinking. Were they even awake? :p

[THERESA]

For the record, I was kidding. You are a good driver. :)

[popowich]

Here is an article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/opinion/main3512369.shtml) from today on this issue.

-Raymond

[Big Dan]

I have ridden with you.... they should have made it much more difficult. I don't know what the instructor was thinking. Were they even awake? :p

lol Ray got dissed. :D

I remember when I first got my license I only had to show a birth certificate and social security card along with my mother's signature and her license that was enough because I was 16. When I was 18 or 19, I lost my license and had to get a new one forget about it.. They wanted everything but a stool sample to fork over a new one.

That's my whole basis for this argument.. Why should illegals even get a license in the first place? and if they can get one why should New Yorkers still have to jump through hoops to prove identity??

Any way you slice it the DMV would need to implement different standards for proof of identity for illegals due to the fact there is no US documentation on them from the beginning. Where as all American's automatically have a birth certificate and social security card from birth.

If illegals can get a license easier than me, you're rewarding them for coming here illegally and causing even more animosity then we've already got.

If the standards of ID are lowered for everyone because we *need* to give illegals licenses how does that help what the gold nugget reason for giving them licenses was supposed to be in the first place.. Identifying and tracking illegals. Lax ID standards, lax records for everyone.

Would the INS be allowed to access this information? If so, they have plenty of information to go grab illegals for deportation...Now how many illegals are going to register for a license? Or is the INS going to sit on their hands like they do now?

If not, why doesn't the INS have access? After 9/11 every agency and their uncle is touting inter agency corroboration as the golden key to stopping terrorism.

[popowich]

OK. I get the don't issue a drivers license thing.

Why not issue some vanilla flavored no rights New York State ID Card?

-Raymond

[Big Dan]

I'm cool with that :)

But again with the ID thing but again how to you verify someone's identity with no documents? It would be very easy for a criminal to come over and start a new identity for himself with a NYS ID as a basis for all other things. Lighten ID standards then we're in the same boat with fraudulent documents.

Then again we come full circle to if these people register for a state ID and we know there in the country illegally why isn't the INS sending them back home?

In my opinion the INS has been to lax for too long with these people. You want to come to America great do it like everyone else and get documented that's all..If you have nothing to hide then you have no reason to enter illegally.

There is no easy answer to this...Bottom line here is they're here illegally and shouldn't be able to have privileges in any way shape or form. Doing anything like that is like giving the a-okay for people to come here illegally. What would be the plus for someone to actually come here legally then?

[popowich]

But again with the ID thing but again how to you verify someone's identity with no documents?


What about a picture ID with a thumb print and an assigned number.

It has a unique identifier number, and the thump print in the system keeps you from registering multiple ID's.

It can have it's uses for tracking and stuff, just won't know where you are and who you are I suppose.

-Ray

[Big Dan]

What about a picture ID with a thumb print and an assigned number.

It has a unique identifier number, and the thump print in the system keeps you from registering multiple ID's.

It can have it's uses for tracking and stuff, just won't know where you are and who you are I suppose.

-Ray

Now that's an idea I can live with! :)

Don't tell the ACLU folks that idea though..You cannot finger print people unless their criminals..It's inhumane. :rolleyes: lol

[popowich]

Now that's an idea I can live with! :)

Don't tell the ACLU folks that idea though..You cannot finger print people unless their criminals..It's inhumane. :rolleyes: lol


No finger print, no ID! If you get caught without one, see ya!

-Raymond

[Kaos]

Wow, look what I started in here :innocent:

I do agree there should be some kind of identity I suppose to keep better track of people I guess but I agree with Dan the whole thing is such a mess who even knows where to start with the whole illegal issue. Even the simplest solution (whatever it would be) will get messed up when politicians get their hands on it :hide:

[popowich]

I added a poll to this thread...

-Raymond